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shy
Crypt Keeper
 
Australia
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 Posted - 04 May 2004 : 7:29:23 PM
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NEW ORLEANS - Seven cadavers donated to Tulane University’s medical school were sold to the Army and blown up in land mine experiments, officials said Wednesday. Tulane said it has suspended dealings with a national distributor of donated bodies.
Tulane receives up to 150 cadavers a year from donors but needs only between 40 and 45 for classes, said Mary Bitner Anderson, co-director of the Tulane School of Medicine’s Willed Body Program.
The university paid National Anatomical Service, a New York-based company that distributes bodies nationwide, less than $1,000 a body to deliver surplus cadavers, thinking they were going to medical schools in need of corpses.
High markup
The anatomical services company sold seven cadavers to the Army for between $25,000 and $30,000, said Chuck Dasey, a spokesman for the Army’s Medical Research and Materiel Command in Fort Detrick, Md. The bodies were blown up in tests on protective footwear against land mines at Fort Sam Houston in San Antonio.
Tulane said it found out about the Army’s use of the bodies in January 2003. It suspended its contract with the anatomical services company this month. The company did not immediately return calls for comment.
“There is a legitimate need for medical research and cadavers are one of the models that help medical researchers find out valuable information,” Dasey said. “Our position is that it is a regulated process. Obviously it makes some people uncomfortable.”
Cadaver remains are routinely cremated, he added.
Military use is common
For years military researchers have bought cadavers to use in research involving explosive devices. In the last five years, that research has been used to help determine safe standoff distances, on how to build the best shelters, and to improve helmets, Dasey said.
Michael Meyer, a philosophy professor at Santa Clara University in California who has written about the ethics of donated bodies, said the military’s use is questionable because it knows donors did not expect to end up in land mine tests.
“Imagine if your mother had said all her life that she wanted her body to be used for science, and then her body was used to test land mines. I think that is disturbing, and I think there are some moral problems with deception here,” Meyers said.
The market in bodies and body parts is under scrutiny after two men, including the head of the Willed Body Program at the University of California at Los Angeles, were arrested for trafficking in stolen body parts.
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Mazeppa
Zombie
 
USA
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Posted - 05 May 2004 : 07:01:33 AM
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The only problem I have with this is the ridiculous mark-up the N.Y. company was charging....what A $1000 corpse and they step it up to 25 to 30 K? The really moronic thing is thst there are literally TONS of U.S. soldier corpses coming back from our totally illegal involvement in Iraq and Afganistan. 120 just in early April alone....why is the Army BUYING bodies?? The tests are vital, save soldiers lives. But I wonder why they just don't get over this shit, and have Joe D. from the Jersey tenements fill out a card, and others of course, saying their family will get free burial and a cash bonus for the test crash/blow-up dummy course. I am not insensitive, just realistic. Even AFTER he dies in this ridiculous, stupid, unecessary and totally ILLEGAL under the "jus ad bellum" rules we alledgedly adhere to, well hell, he can continue to contribute to the cause even after his untimely death!! Sounds like quite a bargain. Interesting, we can now mutilate all these beautiful young men TWICE, instead of just ONCE, for no fucking good reason.
*Been there, done that, but BURNED the tee-shirt.* (Got Oil??)
*Your SUV runs on our youth's Bodies.*
Disgusted,
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Witchy Woman
Corpse
 
Australia
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Posted - 05 May 2004 : 11:52:51 AM
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Originally posted by Mazeppa
The really moronic thing is thst there are literally TONS of U.S. soldier corpses coming back from our totally illegal involvement in Iraq and Afganistan. 120 just in early April alone....why is the Army BUYING bodies??
I don't think just cause the bodies are in an army uniform that the government or army own the bodies. and I don't know about you but if my loved one was in the war and died I wouldnt want the army to just assume ownership of their body.
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But I wonder why they just don't get over this shit, and have Joe D. from the Jersey tenements fill out a card, and others of course, saying their family will get free burial and a cash bonus for the test crash/blow-up dummy course.
I think that soldiers give up enough of themselves actually going to fight in a war they didnt start or want, let alone asking them to fill in a card and donate their bodies to these kinds of experiments. I agree that the testing is important but their are a lot of other stiffs out there that havent done anything for their country who could be filling in cards.
Dont soldiers already get free burial and their spouses a pension? How is free burial and cash bonuses an incentive to donate your body to an army thats already taken it?
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Mazeppa
Zombie
USA
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Posted - 07 May 2004 : 08:29:32 AM
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Hey Witchy Woman, (see her how she flies, she got the moon in her eyes!*I LOVE that song)
I guess you missed the extreme sarcasm in my previous posting, I apologize for not being clear. To be clearer, I completely disagree with this present war. I really disagree with double blasting my comrades bodies. I think that to fight this war, to help the Israeli's and to provide "cheap" oil, is a farce. General McArthur stated "never fight a war on the Asian land mass," a very relevant statement that the virgins continually ignored. I apologize if you misread my sarcasm. But then again, no one listened when I said this expedition would lead to nothing more than a huge market run on "body bags." We REALLY don't need another excuse to pin medals upon corpses. I sicken, puke, over this. No one reads, studies. The men in power are out of our control. And all we can do is struggle to control our gas bill. By the way, if you don't know it, have naught heard, we have killed in excess of 3 MILLION people over there. Does "depleted uranium" strike a bell? "Carpet Bombing?" U.S. and others are wondering why suicide rates among soldiers are going so high. Spain and Honduras recently pulled their troops. I am REALLY GLAD I was naught young enough to involve with THIS goat-fuck.
signed,
Sir Caustic
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Mazeppa
Zombie
USA
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Posted - 11 May 2004 : 1:41:53 PM
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Naught to flog a dead body, but the toll is increasing today. Tomorrow will be much worse....
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Mazeppa
Zombie
USA
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Posted - 14 May 2004 : 07:29:13 AM
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Why is it, that when I write relevant truth here, no resposes forth come? I think I will go back to 1700's......at least the quill and ink looked more attractive then.
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Jukama
Ghost
 
Australia
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Posted - 14 May 2004 : 12:10:20 PM
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How can you respond to the fact that people are dying and nothing we say here can stop that?
**Our ways are not your ways, and there shall be to you many strange things** |
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Mazeppa
Zombie
USA
897 Posts |
Posted - 16 May 2004 : 12:04:41 PM
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Sad that everyone is so blown out from the radicalism of the '60's, and we have Vietnam happening all over again, and no one seems to see this. Oh well, guess I'll just go watch some tv........
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Iceheart
Undertaker / Pink Star Lover
 
Australia
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Posted - 25 May 2004 : 3:16:56 PM
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I am so inhumane sometimes...I laughed when I read the title of this thread  
I don't really think this is such a bad idea. The idea of blowing up a corpse is disturbing, but it's for protection of our men who risk their own LIVING BREATHING bodies so we can all go on with life in a somewhat "normal" way.
It sounds harsh and horrible, and I agree with Mazeppa, 25-30K for a dead man - WTF?!?!?!
When you're dead, there aint a lot that can be done about it. You can float round the world or lie in a box. haha, wow.
And really, if donating your body to the army so they blow you up to help determine safety issues regarding land mines, how is that different to subjecting your body organs to science?
I will be an organ donar, tho I dont think my lungs will really be worth hanging onto, lol, and if my kidneys save some dude, sweet. Good for him. If he doesnt mind have chic bits, literally LOL.
Thumbs up to donating your body to science.
Hehehe, kinkyness.......
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Dear Darla.
I hate your stinking guts.
You make me vomit.
You're scuuuumm between my toes.
Love Alfalfa.
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Mazeppa
Zombie
USA
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Posted - 30 May 2004 : 2:47:32 PM
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Almost all soldiers wish to go home, whether alive or dead. On this Memorial Day, I am thinking of nearly 800 U.S. soldiers dead, $200 BILLION expended by the U.S. alone, naught to mention our allies lives and dollars, the massive cancer and diseases, birth defects which are going to occur on a huge scale, and joint chiefs chairman General Richard Myers told senators that while there is no way the U.S. can loose militarily in Iraq, "there's also no way to militarily win." Think about THAT statement. Perhaps he should have paid more attention to McArthur, "never fight a war on the Asian land mass."
I am half expecting Barry Sadler to leap up and lead a protest march on Capitol Hill, and stuff his green beret down someone's throat, but few can afford to GO there now that gasoline costs $2.10 a gallon.......
I am continually amazed that so few learn nothing from history.
Johnny came limping home, and healed, even though the V.A. hospital cut him off......
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bloodsfire
Ghost
USA
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Posted - 30 May 2004 : 3:12:18 PM
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War is not really my style, but i must admire the detatchment of scientists and polititians when they treat human beings as lab rats. It is this dehumanization which allows world powers to forget about the "people", in the quest for power. This occurs everyday, in hospitals, prisons, jail cells, and military ranks. Televison feeds us everything but the truth, church roofs fall in on a childrens choir, sex and death now go hand in hand. How could it surprize everyone so much that unimaginable atrocity accurs on a regular basis. A few cadavers falling prey to explosives is nothing...what about the living victims who are poisoned slowly everyday?
What of the children who never knew anything more than depravity? Who is to blame when the monster we crete turns to devour us?
We have a witch hunt, we jump from fear and squash the very thing we made.
God must have a pencil with a neverending eraser. Wind us up, watch us go. Toy soldiers marching to an evil drummer.
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Mazeppa
Zombie
USA
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Posted - 03 June 2004 : 2:30:14 PM
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We think, we work, we distract from reality, and the universe changes every day. Due to new science and new movie making technology......and most don't understand the princi-pals of lime-light, much less how a toaster works. Naught much has changed in 3 centuries, has it?
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bloodsfire
Ghost
USA
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Posted - 05 June 2004 : 06:52:42 AM
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The grass is always greener...
Human Beings have subjected themselves to each and every torment, trial, and pleasure imaginable. While I work dilligetly to understand the method in this madness, it all leads back where it began. I wouldn't mind if my corpse were shredded to bits by a huge bomb.
I do insist however that I am good and dead. Wouldn't want to be the one that slipped through the net.
Whatever. People do stranger things to themselves and eachother while they live and breathe. Right under all our noses.
There are more pressing issues than sanitation.
"Say hello, to everything you've left behind....it's even more a part of your life now that you can't touch it." |
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hellboy
Corpse
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Posted - 31 December 2004 : 12:15:23 PM
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thats fucked up
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adore
DOA
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Posted - 29 January 2005 : 05:10:25 AM
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Mazeppa
Zombie
USA
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Posted - 19 April 2005 : 2:01:38 PM
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Mistakes are part of the dues one pays for a full life.
Sophia Loren
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Donated bodies blown up in land mine tests
