Reply author: bloodsfire
Replied on: 09 March 2004 3:05:43 PM
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There are a million different reasons one human may take the life of another. When discussing serial murderers specifically, it must be acknowledged that an abnormal or abusive childhood, is not always a factor in the development of a serial criminal. Many had hard working, caring parents who are as puzzled as everyone else as to why thier boy must make human lampshades. Some serial murderers are abused as children, or experience some sort of trauma during key moments of growth and development.
The key to serial murder is Power....
The subject feeds on fantasy, and is fueled by the desire to dominate others, often due to a lack of control in thier own lives.
These days a S.M. must be clever, presice, patient, and above all, ambitious. It's much harder to pick up a pretty hitchhiker than it used to be. And practice makes perfect. Self control is key to any sucessful career as a killer. The "Holy Trinity" of serial pattern behavior warning signs: Pyromania, Enuriesis(bed-wetting beyond a normal age), and animal cruelty. The thrill of kill is much like sexual climax, the depression that often follows is like Post-coital depression. You find yourself alone in bed, and compelled to find another lover. You find yourself alone inside and compelled to shed more blood.
Serial murder is personal, and each subject has a signature, a touch all his own that betrays the motivation, the emotion that pusles though him at the victims last breath. Sex is often irrelevent, in that many victims are not sexually assaulted by the murderer, at least not in the usual sense. A knive becomes a penis, and a death cry becomes an orgasm.
Somewhere there is a hole inside the serial criminal, and once blood is shed, rehabilitation is impossible. It is an addiction, killing.
Ted Bundy was finally located and captured because instead of hunter, his addiction to domination began to dominate him. Like a drug addict who does as his dope tells him to, Ted got caught because he lost his cool.
When killing cats loses it's fun, and peeping into windows just don't cut it, the S.M. sets his sights on the ultimate trophy. Us.
Imagine if you will how it must feel to lay your hands on someone, cotrol them, terrify them, confuse them, humiliate, degrade, defile, decieve, and finally take from them the only thing left. Life itself. Many S.M.'s in captivity still think longingly of the pleasure they felt looking at the still twisted body of thier first victims.
The truth is, the motive for serial murder varies from person to person, but underneath the symptoms, the disease is the same across the board. Control.

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Reply author: Maistresse
Replied on: 09 March 2004 8:51:04 PM
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Originally posted by Maistresse

. Mind, I am not saying every abused child is going to grow up to be a murderer. I am just saying was I have observed.

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I never said every single serial killer is born evil. I am just stating the pattern I have seen over the past years of study.

I did not mean to imply that I knew about every serial killer living or dead. We all make mistakes. So if anyone does know about any serial killers who did come from well-adjusted homes with lots of love and affection, please tell me their name and when he/she lived.

I am not being sardonic, I am being completely sincere. As I said I have yet to find one who did come from a loving home. I am however always happy to learn something new.

Thank You

P.S...
Bloodsire, I am quite aware that killing is a sexual high for serial killers. I do apologize if my previous post was unclear about that.

My Bad.

Regards,
Maistresse

"This isn't really death," Tyler says. "We'll be legend. We wont grow old."
I tongue the barrel into my cheek and say; "Tyler, you're thinking of vampires."

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Reply author: nylorac
Replied on: 13 March 2004 07:19:03 AM
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So abuse or neglect by itself cannot be used as a reason to become a killer.

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anything can be used as a reason to become a killer. [I believe in one of Maistresse's sentences she did say that not all children who are abused/neglected become killers.]

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Reply author: DeadJane
Replied on: 15 March 2004 10:13:25 PM
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what would make me kill is
1. Stupid People
2. Family members
3. Someone screwing around with my kids

weep no more for me,
my time has passed.
My soul has gone to its final resting place,
For now I am free.

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Reply author: ThePumkynKing
Replied on: 16 March 2004 01:33:17 AM
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It seems to me that what drives people to kill is the initial urge of aggression and a sort of uncontrolable impulse. But when one looks into how things got to that point, I find that it is largly related to a feeling of helplessness. We all feel as though we have little control over the things that happen around us, but when it is taken to an extreme and combined with feelings of inadequeacy I believe it is a catalyst for the breakdown of anything that would separate man from the rest of the animals.

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Reply author: mistresskitty
Replied on: 17 March 2004 3:29:31 PM
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no conscience, bad past , hatred towards men/women , the urge to do so. nobody really knows for sure!

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Reply author: talrave
Replied on: 17 March 2004 8:09:22 PM
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I don't think a bad childhood really is a needed thing... In fact perfect childhoods could be equally accountable.

Personally I've had a perfect life so far and I've had some twisted thoughts. LoL
Of course I'm pretty calm and cold in regards to life anyway, but I don't go out of my way to snuff it (bugs & stuff).
All in all, if I did snap, I'd be in it for the body count high score. (KIDDING)

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Reply author: shy
Replied on: 20 March 2004 12:45:38 AM
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Originally posted by talrave

I don't think a bad childhood really is a needed thing... In fact perfect childhoods could be equally accountable.

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That sounds like the old theory of the mother loving them too much or not enough...

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Reply author: bloodsfire
Replied on: 30 March 2004 3:40:28 PM
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I also apologize if my comment was misunderstood. I am aware that there are a million variables in the making of a murder. Childhood memories, losses, abuse......... on on on. It is not so easy to extract accurate, trustworthy info from the tangled neurons in thier minds. In the end, despite the reason for the fantasy, we always learn the most from the dead. Bloodspray patterns, physical attack and injury. The hardest part of deciding why one may kill, is to decide how one has lived. How the criminal may have grown, trying to decide his sophistication level, secretor/non-secretor, etc...........also, the level of violence commited upon the victims body.
Bad childhoods may play in part cause a wwithdrawing, a hiding away from all that hurts him. This is when the fantasy begins to grow.

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Reply author: Kitten
Replied on: 04 April 2004 3:21:40 PM
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People tend to become serial killers or killers in general because of child abuse or some sort of abuse at all. But not all of them kill because of abuse. Some just want the power to control or something triggers it. Such as a word said or an action. Killing also has a lot to do with brain damage and anger.

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Reply author: Haematomania
Replied on: 22 April 2004 2:02:10 PM
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Some say its genetics(do with rapists) but Id have to go with the childhood thing.all the evidence is there as to why they are "what" they are....

I may be female and young but I have enough courage to suffer this death and thousands more.

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Reply author: bloodsfire
Replied on: 29 July 2004 09:50:18 AM
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Except for a few notable exceptions, most serial killers whom we have had the chance to study not only do not suffer brain damage, exceptional head traumas, etc...
and in fact, the largest portion of them have IQ's in the normal to bright range. Not exactly handicapped...

"Say hello, to the shrinking in your head, you can't see it but you know it's there, so don't neglect it."

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Reply author: VehementCrys
Replied on: 22 September 2004 6:47:26 PM
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What would trigger me to kill? Nothing. If I were to kill, I would kill for the sheer pleasure of it. As someone posted on here, "the rush". Fuck "the rush" of it all. Most people I know would kill for the power of taking another life, or have a motive behind it, like "my girlfriend screwed this one guy" and by the anger and new found lack of self worth and betrayal twards her, commit a "crime of passion"? Meh.. If I were to kill, it would be some random fuck on the street. Now if I were to do such a thing and I got caught, it would be said that by constantly being picked on in school, moving around a lot as a child, not having many friends and a preferance of not wanting to be near many people would all play into it. But when I sit here and think about it, that has nothing to do with it. If I were to kill, it would be because I felt like killing someone, and I know that it would become an addiction, like when you get your first tatoo. If I were to kill, I would want to be caught, other wise, why would I risk throwing away whats left in my life? Its just like doing drugs, if your stupid enough to do drugs, do something that has a high risk of killing you your first try.

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Reply author: Tanathos
Replied on: 23 September 2004 10:12:25 AM
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Fear is another factor that could make you try your hand at killing someone. Of course, primal fear is akin to hate, and relates nicely to anger. Plain morbidity would be another factor, curiosity another. One thing is for certain: if you choose to kill, for whatever reason, the memory, whether pleasurable or damning, will either steer you to keep on doing it, or fill your conscience with durable regret. Economic gain is also a factor in killing. Sheer macho posture can also result in murder, but I guess that would fall into a more general category. Alfredo Rios Galeana, kidnapper, bank robber, consummated escape artist, and notorious killer, when asked how it felt to kill somebody, responded tersely:"Nothing. It's like cutting a flower". Mayhap he is right...

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Reply author: bloodsfire
Replied on: 29 September 2004 4:07:00 PM
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A good gardener will tell you that in order to insure the health and longevity of a garden, it is necessary to weed out the plants that do not thrive, to remove the wilted petals and leaves which may cause undo stress to the healthy parts of the plant.
Hunting advocates insist that without the seasonal slaughter of deer and other wild animals, overpopulation would occur, and the delicate balance of nature would be disturbed.
Serial killers are sometimes reffered to as 'The hunters of humans'. Should we begin handing out permits to the murderers in our midst, so that the human race will no longer have to carry the burden of the elderly, the handicapped, the infirm? Sounds absurd dosen't it? The real absurdity lies in the fact that serial murder is not just an occasional event, it is in fact more like an epidemic. The irony is that though we would never give a psychopath a liscence to kill, we seem to have no trouble turning our heads and ignoring the steadily rising body counts, as long as our own daughters and sons remain untouched by tragedy, we could really give a fuck if a few hundred hookers turn up missing every year. What's one more junkie death, after all? One less recipient of public assistance.
Sounds harsh huh? Survival of the fittest is an instinct hardwired into our brains, and besides....someone has to tend to the issue of population control! Perhaps we could start drowning baby girls, the way some Asian societies have. Or initiating a selective breeding program similar to the one Hitler endorsed...
An even better idea occurs to me...For society to practice what it preaches, and hold all men and women as equals. When we cease turning away from someone we believe to be less fortunate, or deserving than ourselves, there will be no expendable lives. Hunting will become far more challenging an enterprise for the serial predator.

Built in Switches
Like wind-up Dolls
Bound up in Stitches
Burning like Witches
Night Falls

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Reply author: thatsit
Replied on: 08 January 2005 3:06:45 PM
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I think more people than are willing to admit would like to kill at one time or another. I also think the difference being the lack of true confidence in getting away with it is the first hurdle. Then the guilt and moral issues come into play.
Like mentioned in some previous posts, most serial killers have abuse or neglect in their backgrounds. That would account for the level of desensitization of emotion, guilt, fear or anxiety that would normally restrain the desire of most people to act on their desire to murder.
Means, Motive, Opportunity and Perception of Success in getting away with it.


"Problems cannot be solved at the same level of awareness that created them.".

Albert Einstein

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Reply author: bloodsfire
Replied on: 08 January 2005 3:43:03 PM
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It's not a sin...unless you get caught!

Some mornings, it's just not worth chewing through the leather straps.

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Reply author: kimbylea
Replied on: 14 January 2005 12:06:29 AM
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I recently had a discussion in a letter with a serial to whom I write in Alabama on the Glover case which occurred many years ago in Australia. I found his response interesting, as I am sure will crypt members. This is a direct quote from his letter:

"I have no doubt in my mind that 100% of serial killers indulge in some form of necrophilia with their victims. It just doesn't make sense not to, especially when the compelling motivator in most serial episodes is sexual. Which isn't saying that every victim is necrophiled, but I cannot believe that a pretty high percentage are not. It's simply part and parcel of the patterns and cycle manifestation a serial experiences. He kills, and he explores the depths and spectrums of death, advancing through stages that allow him to advance deeper and deeper into the perimeters (sic) and degress of murder. So there's no doubt in my mind that sexual motives were at the core center of Glover's motivations, and despite what people are led tp believe (probably based on his denial during analysis or questioning) I'm sure he's involved himslef in things that will never be revealed."

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Reply author: i_love_blood
Replied on: 05 February 2005 1:13:03 PM
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KILLING IS ALL ABOUT THE THRILL TAKE ME FOR INSTANCE DIGGING THE KNIFE INTO SUMONES HEART AND RIPPING IT OUT YUMMM LOL JUST KIDDING KILLING FOR FUN IS BAD BUT ITS SWEET TO KILL FOR LUNCH!!!! HAHAHAHAHAHAHHAA YOU'RE ALL SICK FUCKED UP MOTHER-FUCKERS. CANT BELIEVE I HAVE TO CUM UP WITH THIS SICK SHIT JUST TO TALK TO U SICK SICK INDIVUALS U ARE ALLL GOING TO BURN DO U HEAR ME BURNNNNNNNNNN!!!!

suck me!!!

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Reply author: Haematomania
Replied on: 06 February 2005 10:35:41 AM
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Boy doesnt he strick a intelligent point (O.o).If I personally was going to kill someone it would have to be from vengence or insanity,I'm just not the killing type....I cant stand being dirty and all that blood and gutts spilling.....I may get some ON ME!!!!Ewww!

Viewed from the Moon, Earth hangs delicatley in the sky on an oasis of life in the black emptyness of space.Nothing could be more beautiful or more lonely.

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Reply author: bloodsfire
Replied on: 09 February 2005 12:37:27 AM
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Funny that you say that H, because in this age of forensic intelligence, it is becoming more difficult to commit violent crime and get away with it. So, to be tidy in ones routine helps to insure that the job gets done on a consistent basis. It pays to 'not get none on ya'. Violent serial criminals rarely roll around in the blood and guts of thier victims, 'like a pig in shit'. More often, the killer takes great pains to maintain a strange sort of distance from his victim. The psychological contradictions that go hand in hand when a murderer can torture, and rape the victim (intercourse being a very definite form of intimacy), and still maintain an almost clinical and sterile distance from the deceased, is an interesting point of study. We must bear in mind at all times though, when discussing serial murderers, that the victim as an individual is second in importance to the fantasy of the killer. A mere shell, a vessel, a tool. A thing to be used and then discarded, like so much in our culture these days. Condoms, fast food, dead girls, etc... Feed the beast, toss out the paper plates and cups. There are so many variations on the theme of signature murder that we could go on and on about the actual processes involved in the killing itself. The question at hand is "What makes you want to kill?" To ask "Why would you kill this way?", is to open another can of worms all together. It's really a Pandoras box of death....

And as the walls come down, and As I look in your eyes, My fear begins to fade, Recalling all of the times...
I have died and will die.
It's all right.
I don't mind.

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Reply author: Haematomania
Replied on: 21 March 2005 1:27:04 PM
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Yes I know but lets ALL face the facts that are obvious to ones eye ok...could ANY ONE honestly see me...Miss,Half-blonde- killing anyone unless it was out of total insanity?I think not,I would most certianly get caught very quickly.Like alot of people it truely takes a pure genius to kill efficently and get away with "murder",not some two-bit mass killer or spree but a true,honest to God seriel killer.They are alot more complicated mentally wise then most think they are.I use to think they just did it cuz they couldnt control their self but that isnt the honest to God answer to all of them.I think thats why I like them/to read about them so much is becouse thats something I could never do to such a planned out,artistic way.Id just stab a pervert repeatedly in the gutt,maybe do some terribly vomit-like material things to his genitals and call it good.Id never stalk him,learn his life then plan out the scene in my head over and over again until I got it just fairy tale perfect,I'd just go in there thinking I'm an army in one and stabby stabby:).

Viewed from the Moon, Earth hangs delicatley in the sky on an oasis of life in the black emptyness of space.Nothing could be more beautiful or more lonely.

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Reply author: bloodsfire
Replied on: 21 March 2005 2:38:14 PM
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That is exactly the difference between you and a 'serial', H. The M.O and signature individual to the killer are in themselves inseperable from the act if murder. These men, and sometimes women arecompelled, driven, even forced into the dirty deed by the fantasy which must be fulfilled, the idea of absolute control, and the rush of euphoria found in the bloody mess. There is method to the madness, and just like handwriting, a 'serial' can be tagged by his method. It is necessary to complete the perfect moment of death orchestrated by the fantasy in thier minds. Your scenario of anger or vengance fueled homicide is as unlike the process of serial murder as are Vodka and breastmilk. Two entirely different creatures....
I hope I am not babbling......

666

And as the walls come down, and As I look in your eyes, My fear begins to fade, Recalling all of the times...
I have died and will die.
It's all right.
I don't mind.

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Reply author: werewolf_of_london
Replied on: 28 April 2005 05:58:05 AM
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its a complete myth that homo sapien originated from a passive fruiteating monkey
. the truth is that he was and still is to a certain degree a murdereous bloodthirsty ape

chimpanzees are cannibals too

"the beast in man needs to be exercised! not exorcised (a/lavay)

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Reply author: Haematomania
Replied on: 01 May 2005 08:04:03 AM
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Actually I wouldnt say its a "myth" but more of a theroy which can be proven in some points.But I dont believe it no....thankfully I dont have "noticable" hair everywhere(lmao),peachfuzz yes..long strings of black,corse hair NO!

Viewed from the Moon, Earth hangs delicatley in the sky on an oasis of life in the black emptyness of space.Nothing could be more beautiful or more lonely.

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Reply author: UnknownLoser
Replied on: 23 June 2005 06:33:45 AM
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I don't know...I wanted to kill this one girl. Because she is so rude to some people at my school. I stuck up for a few of them and she turned her attention to me after I humiliated her. Hey if she can dish it she should be able to take it. Well My bf at the time, She'd say things like 'Oh you desearve so much better than her, she hangs out with losers, she cheats on you.' And then tried to seduce him, he wasn't seduced but I still wanted to kill her. It was like, Grr. My territory, you know?

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Reply author: UndeadScourge
Replied on: 27 June 2005 09:18:37 AM
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I believe the fact that every human is born with an animal instinct to kill as stated on page 1. i guess it depends on how you look at it. are humans born bad with a few good tendancies? or born good with a few bad tendancies? i believe it is born bad with a few good tendancies.

-=-=You know this is gonna hurt you a whole fuck of alot more then it hurts me...really im not kidding=-=-

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Reply author: daniel41501
Replied on: 09 October 2005 10:56:45 PM
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People kill for many reasons. Fame and fun, or the thrill of it are just a few. If a person can kill an animal they can kill a person. Some poeple are nothing more than animals. Some people are dead but they haven't stoped breathing yet. With some of the rude and/or stupid people on this earth, someone should pad their body count.

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Reply author: UndeadScourge
Replied on: 24 June 2006 07:25:03 AM
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Misanthropia. Simple hatred for someone or a hatred for all human beings. Also like it has been said before me, the rush and satisfaction of enacting revenge upon someone who you had perceived as wronging you.

-=-=You know this is gonna hurt you a whole fuck of alot more then it hurts me...really im not kidding=-=-

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