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I expect that Jaz would be a welcome maleing I mean mailing, however. And I still have the boots. You best send her express,
so she arrives before the carriage sells.
I will look forward to opening my box!

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Reply author: Iceheart
Replied on: 22 April 2004 1:20:56 PM
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Ur above spiel Shy has given me much to think about.
I have so many ideas about life, death, suicide, the afterlife, reincarnation, euthenasia etc, however, after reading what you've written I do believe I am quite without enough Life Experience to make up mind on what it is that I actually "Believe to be the truth in my mind"

However.
Suicide, a most taboo topic which I think should be discussed more freely.
I think suicide is the cheats way out.
I agree not all of us come from such a supportive network, but there also networks out there waiting to be the support you need. And I know myself it is often far easier to bitch to someone you don't no, as opposed to a friend or a family member.
But Im one of those horribly annoying people who believe life is a gift...tho sometimes I do question this "gift" myself when is going totally downhill at lightning speed, but I think that to end your life is to cut it short.
The lady who coached my sisters softbnall team when she was in year 7 lost her husband to suicide. She told my mum about it one day. Its a terribly tragic story.
Her and her hubby were happily married with two kids. The kids were doing great in school, their marriage was perfectly happy and blissful...they regularly went on family holidays, outings etc. Karen described her hubby as being an old school gentleman. And a sincere one at that. As far as she knew, all was well with at work alos...he had a high respecting job, was well liked etc. Then Christmas Eve a few years ago, she and the kids came home one night to find him hanging from the ceiling fan with a rope around his neck...all the doors were locked, no sign of forced entry, and no note, not nothing. Just his lifeless form hanging from the fan, slowly spining round the room. The dead givewaway of the suicide was a footstool underneath the fan, tipped over.
You tell me that was fate...that was "his time to go". I do not and cannot believe for one moment his calling was to kill himself.
Karen even had a full investigation done into his work background and turned up no mistresses/other children/embezzaling/fraud, nothing. He was clean.
He was just dead by his own hand.
To me that is cutting your life short. Whatever his reasons, it just seemed that he did not even try to resolve them...he just took the easy road, which so mnay people do with suicide when "all is lost".
I no often "all" does seem lost...but it only remains lost if you choose to let it remain so.
People who suffer from heavy clinical depression piss me off as well. I spent two years on drugs for depression, and in counselling and to this day I believe I came out sunny side up in the end because I chose not to let i ruin my life. I chose to let the counsellor help me come to terms with everything, realise it wasnt my fault, and help me move on. And I did. But there are so many people I hear of thru friends, or by reading website journals that just refuse all help and run the world down saying that its all everyone elses fault their so fucked up, when more to the point, its them just refusing to deal with life. Sometimes friends and family can really piss you off and make your life miserable but bullshit reasons and yeah all would seem lost then. But their are people who are trained and spend years studying ways to help you undertand that your life isnt a waste, your life isnt bullshit, you DO have reasons to live so get on with it.
I think suicide is the cheats way out. Ive looked at it from all angles and to me, it just seems your cheating yourself.

Euthenasia is also another of those relly taboo subjects that cause so much unnecessary arguing.
I find myself having trouble being able to fully justify why I support Euthenasia seeing as tho I'm totally against suicide, but I'll try anyway.
To me, life is precious. Life should not be thrown away and wasted just because "nothing is going your way". It often seems that way, but there are ways to deal with everything that happens; its called Time and a good frame of mind.
But what happens when you cant live your life?
Your in a car accident and suffer severe brain damage that renders you immobilised for life and shuts that vital part fo the brain down that controls everything you do; feeding yourself, bathing yourself, controlling bodily functions, just living in general. What happens when you suddenyl cant do that anymore. Theat everyone around you is by your side 24/7, doing everything for you. What happens when your brain shuts down all functions except breathing, and you're deemed a breathing vegetable. Is that living? Your motor skills are gone, the ability to think is gone, everything is gone. What happens when you become a shell that breathes. Should you HAVE to continue to live?
If that were to happen to me, and my friends and family are aware of this to, I would want to be terminated. If my brain shut down and I became a vegetable (Im sorry Im not a medical wizz and dont no the technical terms for this stuff) I would rather die than live out the remainder of my life. To me that isnt living. That was a fluke unforseen accident that cut my life short, without my help in doing so. And now I can no longer function so why bother. I will never get better. Medical science isnt that far advanced. They will never re-awaken me, I am dead but still breathing. I do not ever want that to happen to me, which is why I support Euthenasia. And I dont think it should be up the individual person to decide "Ok, terminate me now, thanks." We all tick on our licence (aussie ppl do anyway) whether we want to: Yes donate our organs, No keep our organs, or be undecided. Why isnt there one for Euthenasia in case a car accidnet renders you a vegetable?
Ive become so wrapped up in trying to jusify my reasoning here Ive lost my train of thort lol.
Anyway, I will continue this once I regain that train of thought...last seen heading to Surfers Paradise on the GOld Coast at 110KPH (to the beach)

I disagree with suicide being the "only way to deal with things", however I support Euthenasia for those where their life is all but already terminated due to unfair life experience, and now have zero quality of life.

With all the medical hoo-hars available these days, they can tell from very early on in a pregnancy how your baby is doing...my personal opinion is, if your baby is goint to be severly deformed or retarded or has a serious illness that WILL effect its growing life, I dont think it should be born.
ANd I dont mean this should apply to babies who are say deaf or blind, or have downs syndrome or will develope diabetes, I mean serious life threatening, illnesses or deformities. Being born with 3 legs, 4 arms, 6 ears and what have you, and having to be operated on at such a young age will most likely kill it anyway....either that or leave it with long term problems that will effect its life. (I wish I knew all the medicall mumbo-jumbo for this, it'd make it so much easier.)
I dont think a baby with that many deformities should have to be born. It isnt murder to terminate it. Isnt birthing it, then operating on it with a survival rate of say 10-90 (is that right???. I meant the lowest possible rate) just as much murder, than terminting it before its born?
To me it is.
If it were my baby, I wouldnt want it to be born. I realise its easier said than done....but I know I would think of the childs quality of life. To me that is more important. And with that much at risk, even if the operation was successful, the quality oflife woudlnt be that great for the child...there would be long term effects and problems. And then I would feel it WAS all my fault when my child was 13 and committed suicide because it hatee living and being such a freak. I would be the guilty one for lettin git be born and living such a poor quality of life.

Ok, lost the train again.
I realise many of you will pick this to pieces and probably disagree with everything I've said; but this comes from my 19 years on earth, having had the experiences Ive had, this is what I've formed in my mind. In 10 years time it'll probably change...........

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Oh be still my beating heart......ok, not THAT still!
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